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had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody and they don't know who. and references to attacks versus demonstrations were removed by somebody. >> let me ask you a question. will your committee, call on excuse son rice to ask her to testify? >> i don't know the answer to that right now. we will talk about that. we have two more hearings scheduled. >> do you think she will be called? >> she's going to have to come in and of it at some point. whether it's in a closed hearing or open hearing. we will have an open hearing too but at some point she needs to come in and say what the president or the white house directed her to say. >> senator leiberm
had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody...
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there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal indiscretion, or do you report it up the change of command? that's the question that is going to be raised. >> of course, i think the larger question, though, still remains, the investigation regarding benghazi. this was ongoing before this scandal and if this affair was revealed, you have general petraeus making a trip to libya two weeks before all of this was revealed. how can there be a hearing and he not participate in this hearing, andrea? >> well, i think what senator feinstein has come to conclude is he has to participate. perhaps not at this
there's that long history of the fbi going back to j. edgar hoover where he was using these kinds of secrets that he was uncovering for political blackmail, if you will. now you have the fbi investigating accidentally stumbling into something where the investigation turns briefly until they shut it down to the director of central intelligence. that's a big deal. the question is, how do you handle it? do you just shut it down once you realize there's no criminality involved or it's a personal...
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was not passed to the head of the fbi for four days t took four days to find the head of the fbi, i don't know why, and the fbi is saying the reason why they can't get information promptly to the director is because hurricane sandy delayed the message. figure on that one. the fbi may be at her house tonight but they have been dragging their feet trying to move this. >> well, i think there's still a lot of questions that are to be answered as to the timeline, why certain things were done when. i think that's one of the big outstanding questions. but, you know, a lot of it gets back to the very beginning, which is the question i've heard a lot from folks of that just been reading our stories is why did the fbi start this investigation anyway? i get weird or annoying e-mails all the time and i don't run to the fbi and if i did i don't know that the fbi would do anything about it. that's another reason there's some i think gaps that need to be explained as to how this process began and where it ended up. >> of course, you have to go back to the fact there are four americans mured in the
was not passed to the head of the fbi for four days t took four days to find the head of the fbi, i don't know why, and the fbi is saying the reason why they can't get information promptly to the director is because hurricane sandy delayed the message. figure on that one. the fbi may be at her house tonight but they have been dragging their feet trying to move this. >> well, i think there's still a lot of questions that are to be answered as to the timeline, why certain things were done...
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he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of events and why it took as lock as it did to find out that the nation's chief intelligence person was under investigation. let's just go through this timeline again. it started in may. the fbi at that time first started looking into anonymous harassing e-mails sent to jill kelley. that's where agent humphries comes in. it was late in the summer when high level officials at the fbi and justice department were told that their investigation had also uncovered an affair between david petraeus and his biographer, paula broadwell. it's not clear when mueller and holder were notified, but in mid october, the fbi interviewed paula broadwell and david petraeus. eric cantor was told of
he put it all on the fbi. >> the fbi has its own protocalls in terms of how they proceed and i'm going to let director mueller and others examine these protocalls and make some statements to the public. >> now, the fbi is facing intense criticism over its handling of the investigation. perhaps, that's why robert mueller made an unexpected visit to capitol hill today to answer questions. at issue is the timeline of events and why it took as lock as it did to find out that the...
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i called the fbi immediately. they said your wife won't be upset and this won't hurt your public image and i said, yes, but people shouldn't be blackmailing other people. hearing about this, i should have all these kind of smarmy opinions on it but all i think about it is what you feel, even when you're safe when someone knows personal stuff about you is horrifying. it's terrify ing. >> but also one of the points you make in this book and elsewhere that the horrible scandal at the center of this story is really just people not being honest with each other, husbands and wives not being honest with each other about the way they live their lives. >> and also the rest of us not admitting. i think all of this sex talk in sex happened all the time throughout history with everybody. we just have an electronic trail on it now. we can follow it all. and i think we should all just kind of grow up a little bit and say we all like having sex and that's okay. >> but then here's the thing that gets me. you're the cia director a
i called the fbi immediately. they said your wife won't be upset and this won't hurt your public image and i said, yes, but people shouldn't be blackmailing other people. hearing about this, i should have all these kind of smarmy opinions on it but all i think about it is what you feel, even when you're safe when someone knows personal stuff about you is horrifying. it's terrify ing. >> but also one of the points you make in this book and elsewhere that the horrible scandal at the center...
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the fbi agent, he's the guy who brought down the millennium bomber. >>> taking out the military leader of hamas and fire from the gaza strip. >> israel will continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. >> we'll talk to michael oren, israel's ambassador to the united states. >>> and president obama at this hour in staten island to hear from storm victims. >>> plus, say cheese. new members of congress pose for their class photo. perhaps the last time they'll look this happy. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in new york. as the nation learns about the key players and the controversy surrounding general david patreaus, successor at the cia on capitol hill briefing members of the house intelligence committee today. joining me now for our daily fix, chris cillizza managing editor of postpolitics.com, and kelly o'donnell and correspondent pete williams. pete, first to you. talk first about what is going on in the investigation? the fbi agent who was first only known as the person who triggered this, he was an acquaintance, friend of jill kelley's. we knew he had be
the fbi agent, he's the guy who brought down the millennium bomber. >>> taking out the military leader of hamas and fire from the gaza strip. >> israel will continue to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. >> we'll talk to michael oren, israel's ambassador to the united states. >>> and president obama at this hour in staten island to hear from storm victims. >>> plus, say cheese. new members of congress pose for their class photo....
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bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of the cia and having worked closely with the intelligence committees, you know, i believe there is a responsibility to make sure they're informed. did they handle this correctly? >> no. somebody dropped the ball. you never blind side the president. when a senior official in his administration under investigation when e-mails are being read, you inform the white house at a very high level. national security adviser. his council. even the president himself. you always do that. it's a standing protocol inside the federal government. never blindside the president. as far as i've se
bob barrows also joins us and bob, let me ask you about this fbi investigation. it began in the early summer. the president was only informed after the election. his director of national intelligence informed at 5:00 on election day. congressional leaders were informed even after the resignation. defense secretary leon panetta was asked today whether capitol hill should have been notified sooner and said, i want to quote, that's another issue we ought to look at because as former director of...
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. >> the affair was uncovered by the fbi. that's right, the fbi, which sometime during the summer investigated harassing e-mails sent to this woman, petraeus family friend jill kelly. that probe determined that the e-mails, which included an admonition to, quote, back off, came from paula broadwell. while combing through broadwell's e-mails they came upon david petraeus. let's stop it here and bring in suzanne -- suzanne kelly in washington, our intelligence correspondent. suzanne, a lot of ground to cover here. we have this video that has surfaced of paula broadwell, last month, speaking at the university of denver and she's speaking here as david petraeus' biographer about the deadly attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. let's take a listen. >> i don't know if a lot of you heard this, but the cia an annex had taken a couple prisoner and they think the attack on the consulate was an attempt to get the prisoners back. that's still being vetted. >> where did she hear that? did it come from david petraeus and do we k
. >> the affair was uncovered by the fbi. that's right, the fbi, which sometime during the summer investigated harassing e-mails sent to this woman, petraeus family friend jill kelly. that probe determined that the e-mails, which included an admonition to, quote, back off, came from paula broadwell. while combing through broadwell's e-mails they came upon david petraeus. let's stop it here and bring in suzanne -- suzanne kelly in washington, our intelligence correspondent. suzanne, a lot...
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why would a rogue fbi agent go to eric and then eric cantor? if no politics was involved. >> eliot: i think you answered your own question. he's a rogue agent and not doing what he was supposed to do. >> it was a memorable moment in the east room. the president he's really strong. >> eliot: we're glad you were there. bill press host of full court press on current tv and author of "toxic cut." thanks for yanging me. i am i'm joining by brian beul beutler. andand the the austerity bomb. what are the bids over the fiscal cliff. the president firm saying we will raise taxes on the wealthy. whatever the thresh old ends up being. the republicans are mushy on this. where do you see the two parties now and how do you see a possibility of a compromise? >> i think they're still really far part. i think a lot of republicans know they have to give the president revenue and it has to be to the tune of what he asks for. 1 trillion-dollar to $1.5 trillion. they want the money to come into the treasury without raising tax rates. to do that they would have to t
why would a rogue fbi agent go to eric and then eric cantor? if no politics was involved. >> eliot: i think you answered your own question. he's a rogue agent and not doing what he was supposed to do. >> it was a memorable moment in the east room. the president he's really strong. >> eliot: we're glad you were there. bill press host of full court press on current tv and author of "toxic cut." thanks for yanging me. i am i'm joining by brian beul beutler. andand the...
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first, new information about the fbi agent who has now been identified. nbc has confirmed he is frederick humphries who worked on the bomb squad case. after kelley received e-mails from four or five alias counties. the e-mails have been traced back to petraeus biography paula broadwell, who remains at her brother's home in washington, d.c. he still has not commented on the case. there are new details to talk about. joining me is michael isikoff. what more have we learned about why kelley was concerned enough that the e-mails be forwarded to the fbi? >> we have learned a little bit more about the e-mails. remember, the first one actually goes to general allen in afghanistan from an e-mail account identified as kell kellkelly pat trt kelly patrol talking about his upcoming meeting with jill kelley in tampa. and what was most concerning about the e-mails, we're told from kelley's perspective is they seem to know the comings and goings of general allen, other generals at the u.s. central command and the special operations command, and in one case apparently c
first, new information about the fbi agent who has now been identified. nbc has confirmed he is frederick humphries who worked on the bomb squad case. after kelley received e-mails from four or five alias counties. the e-mails have been traced back to petraeus biography paula broadwell, who remains at her brother's home in washington, d.c. he still has not commented on the case. there are new details to talk about. joining me is michael isikoff. what more have we learned about why kelley was...
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i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing related to kelly, this becomes the fbi's cyber division is concerned that petraeus's private e-mail is hacked in to. that's why they continue this and the crime they're looking at. this is a red herring about harassment of jill kelly, a private citizen and a social liaison. ludicrous. that's not a predicate. >> do you think they overstepped that? >> go ahead, tom. >> determination would be made that, you know, what's the content of these messages? they would take that to the u.s. attorney's office and determine whether or not this might b
i'm sorry. >> the fbi -- >> no. the fact is based on what we know now, there was no harassment concluded and nothing threatening. no one said the e-mails were threatening. i said -- i think what the point david is trying to make and a legitimate question, who was the underlying predicate that the fbi had with the citizen got an e-mail to open up the preliminary inquiry? i don't think it's clear and becomes not about the threat or the harassment, whatever you want to call this thing...
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. >> the fbi followed the computer trail that led them to paula broadwell. both broadwell and petraeus admitted they were having an affair after reviewing evidence prosecutors concluded no crimes were committed, but now some members of congress are saying that they or president obama should have been notified that such an investigation was even being conducted. it's curious timing for the conspiracy theorists at fox news. they are still beating the drum on benghazi. petraeus was supposed to testify over the matter. >> based on the evidence we had then, this was the obama administration's watergate. >> officials say petraeus's decision to leave the cia was entirely personal and had nothing to do with benghazi or politics. but that's not how fox news sees it. >> there's not many stories that could knock the president's reelection right out of the headlines. not many. we got one. >> are you assuming that's why they didn't tell the story until after the election? >> the plot thickens. . >> the fact that his scandal wasn't mentioned prior to the election, that wo
. >> the fbi followed the computer trail that led them to paula broadwell. both broadwell and petraeus admitted they were having an affair after reviewing evidence prosecutors concluded no crimes were committed, but now some members of congress are saying that they or president obama should have been notified that such an investigation was even being conducted. it's curious timing for the conspiracy theorists at fox news. they are still beating the drum on benghazi. petraeus was supposed...
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but it's a specific problem for bob muller, head of the fbi, how do you, as head of the fbi, explain that you have these letters, drafted -- and found by the way, among many documents that we believe to be authentic, a copy of the new yorker magazine, addressed to ambassador stevens and expense reports and others things that suggest they weren't forged do you means to make the administration look bad. how do you explain missing evidence? this tells part of the story. if you have a back story that suggests that the police, car 322 was doing surveillance on the compound, two days before this attack, and then you have shawn smith in his last messages that he typed to his gaming message board saying, we are under watch by the police. this is important evidence. it is sit the on the ground of the consulate. it is unbelievable. >> greta: rick, the senator roberts said that the military have asked him about it, veterans. but i don't see -- i mean, i don't see a lot of people talking about it. will this have no impact on the vote in some impact? >> last time i talked about this, i got ripped
but it's a specific problem for bob muller, head of the fbi, how do you, as head of the fbi, explain that you have these letters, drafted -- and found by the way, among many documents that we believe to be authentic, a copy of the new yorker magazine, addressed to ambassador stevens and expense reports and others things that suggest they weren't forged do you means to make the administration look bad. how do you explain missing evidence? this tells part of the story. if you have a back story...
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the fbi isn't commenting on its investigation. but cnn has new information from tom fuentes who spoke to sources with knowledge of the probe. he says after kelley complained to an fbi agent about the harassing e-mails, agents from the bureau's cyber crime unit got a subpoena and got the internet service provider to give them information on who owned the account of the sender. >> what's the internet address they are being transmitted by. >> reporter: that likely would have been more than one internet address. news reports say paula broadwell, now known as the person sending harassing e-mails to kelley believed to send them from various places. depending on where the computer was plugged in, the sender would have different ip addresses. an expert on internet monitoring explains what the fbi likely did next. >> so what they did is they determined that she logged into this e-mail account from hotels around the country. and so they contacted the hotels and got the guest lists, the names of people who were staying at the hotels on those
the fbi isn't commenting on its investigation. but cnn has new information from tom fuentes who spoke to sources with knowledge of the probe. he says after kelley complained to an fbi agent about the harassing e-mails, agents from the bureau's cyber crime unit got a subpoena and got the internet service provider to give them information on who owned the account of the sender. >> what's the internet address they are being transmitted by. >> reporter: that likely would have been more...
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and you can look at the spy fil files, and you can google wikileaks fbi files, of over 175 companies around the world that sell this mass surveillance technology. we're not saying, oh, look, we just spoke to julian assange, now we'll spy on you. it is cheaper now to intercept all communications in and out of a country. store it to go after one person. and there are companies in south africa that were selling that into libya. this is not a matter of speculation. these are documents from these companies that are secret per spec tuses that are sold. you will see it. plenty of good work is being done on this. a whole bunch of journalists. i'm curious about this. a lot of people share this fear. right? you know, some people might say you go too far on it. but you are someone out there trying to champion and benefiting by the internet by putting out information that the governments don't want you to have. i wanted to ask you where you are tonight. first one question i wanted to ask you about this. officials from ecuador say that you have had a lung infects and that you have been sick since
and you can look at the spy fil files, and you can google wikileaks fbi files, of over 175 companies around the world that sell this mass surveillance technology. we're not saying, oh, look, we just spoke to julian assange, now we'll spy on you. it is cheaper now to intercept all communications in and out of a country. store it to go after one person. and there are companies in south africa that were selling that into libya. this is not a matter of speculation. these are documents from these...
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fbi agents raided her home, taking computers and other documents earlier this week. finally, we now know the identity of the fbi agent who first investigated the whole mess. by now you probably know him as the shirtless agent, the guy who sent a shirtless photo to jill kelly, the other woman involved in this mess. fbi agents name is frederick humphries, over those supposedly harassing e-mails now linked to paula broadwell. hope you got that. >>> controversy over benghazi, as you know, has reached a boiling point, though. yesterday at his first press conference, being row elected, president obama has strong words for anyone who blames u.s. -- united nations ambassador susan rice for the benghazi response. here is what the president said. >> as i've said before, she made an appearance at the request of the white house in which she gave her best understanding of the intelligence that had been provided to her. if senator mccain and senator graham and others want to go after somebody, they should go after me. >> okay. so it took senator john mccain about an hour to make i
fbi agents raided her home, taking computers and other documents earlier this week. finally, we now know the identity of the fbi agent who first investigated the whole mess. by now you probably know him as the shirtless agent, the guy who sent a shirtless photo to jill kelly, the other woman involved in this mess. fbi agents name is frederick humphries, over those supposedly harassing e-mails now linked to paula broadwell. hope you got that. >>> controversy over benghazi, as you know,...
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i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a real surprise in the president saying what we've heard from others on the cabinet, withholding judgment as the story i believe someone said t gets weirder by the day i think it was described. chuck? >> oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were addressing that question to pete. no worries. that's exactly the way it's funny this white house, they don't feel -- they feel it's a distraction. they don't feel it's getting in the way of their work yet. they're annoyed by it but they're not -- it's funny. it doesn't feel like it's a burden that's hanging over their head. that said, every day that they wake up, there's
i'm withholding judgment on what the fbi did here and then said he has great respect for the fbi and that if he had been told about the investigation in the middle of it then everybody would be asking, why was the white house informed in the middle of an investigation? so the president had two chances here basically to express any displeasure that he might have had with how the petraeus matter was handled and the most he said is, i'm withholding judgment. >> chuck, does that come as a...
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fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >> right. >> and then they get into paula broadwell's e-mails, then break down another wall to get into david petraeus' e-mail account. and then they justify that and break down that wall and say, well, you know, national security may have been compromised because maybe she sent along classified documents, but she didn't, so there, somebody responsible at the fbi has to say, okay, guys, you know what? nothing to see here. it's internal investigation, you know, petraeus may be acting up, but this is no longer a crime. they sai
fbi crashed through. first of all, they launch a -- they use their cyber unit to launch an investigation on half dozen e-mails talking about a purported affair. they launch a cyber investigation there. and then they start digging in and they have to go into a private citizen's e-mail account. and so they go into paula broadwell's private e-mail accounts, they've crashed through a wall there. the facts as we know it do not justify other than somebody wants to embarrass david petraeus. >>...
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but it's unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date. it seems this has been going on for several months and yet now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: among other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner. the house and senate intelligence committees weren't informed until friday. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. i mean, this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i think we should have been told. >> reporter: not everyone on the hill was totally in the dark. house majority leader eric cantor said an fbi employee told him about petraeus' affair and a possible security breach in october. after the investigation had begun. a u.s. official says that the general's communications were never compromised and he was never the target of the investigation. another issue, petraeus stepped do
but it's unclear when the fbi probe began. >> the fbi director had the obligation to tell the president or the national security council at the earliest date. it seems this has been going on for several months and yet now it appears that they're saying that the fbi didn't realize until election day that general petraeus was involved. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: among other questions, why weren't key lawmakers told sooner. the house and senate intelligence committees weren't...
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we do not share outside the justice department, outside the fbi the facts of ongoing investigations. we made the determination as we were going through the matter that there was not a threat to national security. had we made the determination that a threat to national security existed, we would, of course, have made that known to the president and also to the appropriate members on the hill. >> now, with a pair of four-star generals being investigated, defense secretary leon panetta ordering a review of all military ethical standards, meanwhile, the fbi agent who helped trigger the initial investigation explaining that shirtless photo he sent jill kelley, one of the women at the center of the story. frederick humphries telling "the seattle times" he sent the photo to dozens adding it was meant to be a joke and not sexual at all. he could have kept his shirt on. in the image he's posing with target dummies. it reads which one is fred? i think he's the guy in the middle. now, ten days removed from the presidential election, a growing number of leading republicans are trying to distance
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two months later to president -- >> the question is the fbi stumbled upon it. it seems to me frankly you're hinting at something bad, and i don't see what that could be. >> i'm hinting at something out of control and not with the proper authority. who are you accusing of not having done the right thing? >> i've always had great respect for him and great respect for general petraeus. >> i do too. >> i want to know what the sequence was and when top level people were making decisions about -- >> i'll tell you what troubles me. if this is an investigation into david petraeus's bank account instead of his sex life all of us would be paying a lot less attention to it. i'm troubled by the periods of some of this and the prominence of getting his privacy doesn't totally disappear. >> let me move you on. do you have a single big question about what went on in benghazi or what happened in the aftermath that you think must be answered. >> i think there are lequestions that have to be answered. why weren't the warnings about the need for heeded. why weren't the requests f
two months later to president -- >> the question is the fbi stumbled upon it. it seems to me frankly you're hinting at something bad, and i don't see what that could be. >> i'm hinting at something out of control and not with the proper authority. who are you accusing of not having done the right thing? >> i've always had great respect for him and great respect for general petraeus. >> i do too. >> i want to know what the sequence was and when top level people were...
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they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the top american commander in afghanistan is now being investigated for alleged inappropriate communications with jill kelley. again, she's the woman who reportedly received threatening e-mails from paula broadwell, the woman with whom petraeus was having an affair. general allen took over the command in afghanistan from petraeus after petraeus was tapped for the cia. now officials are reviewing up to 30,000 pages of communication between allen and ms. kelley. you're running a war, general, seriously, 30,000? it's not clear if the e-mails involved sexual material or classifi
they say the fbi is sensitive to its past when former director j. edgar hoover gathered personal details about government officials to get what he wanted. >> the only reason the fbi should have notified congress was if general petraeus was found to have leaked classified information. that was not the case. so the fbi followed its protocols and did the right thing in this case. >> general petraeus is not the only high-ranking official mixed up in this scandal. general john allen, the...
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the thrust has to be the fbi. the fbi is a disaster in this investigation, in so many different fronts, and ought to be investigated from the very first decision to go after the second woman's e-mails. i mean, what was it in the first -- in the e-mails to kelley that prompted them to go after the other e-mails? >> should they have told congress? >> congressional leaders? probably so. should eric cantor have told rodgers? >> i agree with you. they sat on it. >> rodgers said he never knew. >> we have an obsessed person at the fbi sending shirtless photographs of himself and the rest of the investigation is full disclosure? >> really many. >> really. >> i'll get a final word in on the susan rice situation. he was politically weak in 2011 and won and feeling the oetds. >> ate his spinach. >> governor rendell, thank you for joining us. glad i snuck in the last word there. >>> more on the president's news conference and why we think he said what he said. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetabl
the thrust has to be the fbi. the fbi is a disaster in this investigation, in so many different fronts, and ought to be investigated from the very first decision to go after the second woman's e-mails. i mean, what was it in the first -- in the e-mails to kelley that prompted them to go after the other e-mails? >> should they have told congress? >> congressional leaders? probably so. should eric cantor have told rodgers? >> i agree with you. they sat on it. >> rodgers...
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the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and reporting. we've been unable to corroborate this in the time scale we've had tonight but you do have very good fbi sources. i want to turn to bob baer. he's the cnn does this make sense to you that this could be the sequence of events? >> oh, absolutely, but i tend to attribute more significance to the fbi of getting into petraeus' e-mails. the fbi, as a matter of course, doesn't look at affairs, doesn't read military officers' e-mails or cia officers. they have to be alerted to some sort of crime or counterintelligence problem. i can only speculate what that would be.
the fbi thought that he would be immediately asked to resign. that's what would normally happen with a government employee, but, in fact, the white house said no, we want to wait until after the election. so agents were furious. i've been given insight to the actual agents that were doing the case, and they think it's inexcusable that this was allowed to continue for months without firing him. >> let me just jump in there, ronald. obviously, this is all your independent claims and...
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willinger says that's enough for the fbi to take it further. the fbi hasn't commented furtherer. an official says it was appropriate to investigate. >> does the fbi routinely investigate these harassing e-mails? >> the fbi is devoting more time these days to investigating cyber harassment cases, cyber stalking cases. he says they don't go after one on one cases that are less threatening, mildly threatening, which this appears to be. he says clearly there's something more here. he believes information about comings and goings that paula broadwell sent sparked the investigation and he said there were grounds to do that. >> brian, thanks very much. >>> if a top general has an affair, is it a crime under military law? the answer might be yes. is it time for a refresh you er course from the top down? more in the "the situation room." ♪ [ gordon ] for some this line is a convenience. how you doing today? i'm good thanks. how are you? i'm good. [ gordon ] but for others, it's all they can afford. every day nearly nine million older americans don't have enough to eat. anything else? no
willinger says that's enough for the fbi to take it further. the fbi hasn't commented furtherer. an official says it was appropriate to investigate. >> does the fbi routinely investigate these harassing e-mails? >> the fbi is devoting more time these days to investigating cyber harassment cases, cyber stalking cases. he says they don't go after one on one cases that are less threatening, mildly threatening, which this appears to be. he says clearly there's something more here. he...
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have you called the fbi? >> no. i just delete them. >> if you get a harassing e-mail -- >> photographs. >> are we on? okay. great. listen. we told you at the top of the show, that david petraeus resigned as cia director after details of his extramarital affair became ugly. if you want to sound smart, tell your friends that petraeus served the shortest term of any cia director since 1977, when george w. bush left the post after just under a year. bush was appointed by gerald ford in 1976. but jimmy carter declined to have bush stay on under his administration. >> enough with the real news. should we do the cooler. let's go to lewis. >> let's gather around the water cooler. watch "saturday night live." watch how mitt romney is handling the postelection blues. check out a milked-up mitt. >> father? >> tagg, i told you to give me a moment. >> i'm not tagg. i'm one of your other sons. >> of course. hello, matt. >> mother sent me to come get you, father. paul ryan is doing feats of strength in the drawing room. she though
have you called the fbi? >> no. i just delete them. >> if you get a harassing e-mail -- >> photographs. >> are we on? okay. great. listen. we told you at the top of the show, that david petraeus resigned as cia director after details of his extramarital affair became ugly. if you want to sound smart, tell your friends that petraeus served the shortest term of any cia director since 1977, when george w. bush left the post after just under a year. bush was appointed by...
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as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the senator called it, you know, a committee to look at this thing and make the determination on what the narrative was. the narrative was wrong. and why that's important, this isn't just about parsing words and who was right. there was some policy decisions made based on the narrative that was not consistent with the intelligence that we had. that's my concern. and we need to say, hey, we need to figure out how that happened, and let's make sure that doesn't happen again. >> did people die because we didn't protect them adequately? is that the bottom line here? >> david, we gave the
as an old fbi agent, you should prove it first. >> but this is important. you're saying petraeus says, look, i said it was terrorism all along. susan rice told the american people we thought it was spontaneous. there's a disconnect. >> even more important than that, the narrative as it went from the cia to other intelligence agencies was correct. it was an act of terrorism. we knew that. the difference is what happened when it went outside of the intelligence community for, as the...
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. >> he also knew he was under investigation by the fbi, speaking of general petraeus. that's the big question. >> then the president is saying i didn't know until two days after the election. >> i have to say this, that speculation is absolutely reckless and it has no fact base at all and it really is a disgrace to a man. >> haen days are, indeed, here again. ♪ >> after a hard-won re-election fight, it's been a high-stakes return to the business of governing for the president of the united states. today he hosted congressional leaders at the white house to begin working on what he called the urgent business of reaching an agreement on taxes and spending cuts by the end of next month. this afternoon the president greeted a diverse range of civic leaders at the white house and, of course, he's preparing for his impending tour of southeast asia which begins at the week end. so that's what's been going on at the white house. or is it? >> the president of the united states did not tell the american people the truth about the attacks that took four brave americans' lives.
. >> he also knew he was under investigation by the fbi, speaking of general petraeus. that's the big question. >> then the president is saying i didn't know until two days after the election. >> i have to say this, that speculation is absolutely reckless and it has no fact base at all and it really is a disgrace to a man. >> haen days are, indeed, here again. ♪ >> after a hard-won re-election fight, it's been a high-stakes return to the business of governing for...
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why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then would this all have happened. that's sort of the cleopatra's nose theory. if she had an ugly nose, would history have been different. that's an interesting question to discuss but i don't think it's a fundamental one. >> this revelation that apparently the investigation was concluded four days before the election clearly somebody has decided, whoever that may be and i'm sure we'll find out in the forms of time, that the information should not be passed to the white house, although i share your concern about the white house's blanket denial they
why would the fbi be involved in this anyway? >> the fbi is supposed to investigate predicated federal crimes. and they don't know when they start an investigation precisely whether the evidence ultimately will show there was a crime. i don't know what they were told initially by this woman, or what they were told by anybody who was friendly with her who had the ear of somebody at the bureau. but with great respect, that's one of those subsidiary questions. it's an interesting if not then...
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but why would the fbi investigate the cia e-mails? why is this something the agency would handle internally? >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threaten another person. so that is where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet. and since they're coming into someone working at cia headquarters, and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and investigate the threat. >> okay, so the big concern here, then, that an outsider could have access, quite simply, to sensitive information and intelligence? >> well, that is the concern when it starts. but when you look into that, in the cia or fbi headquarters or any of the intel agencies, often you have dual computer systems so that you can receive outside e-mails because someone might send a complaint over the public internet service providers. and then of course, you have the classified e-mail systems internally, and they're completely separate. but t
but why would the fbi investigate the cia e-mails? why is this something the agency would handle internally? >> because the fbi has jurisdiction if someone uses the internet to threaten another person. so that is where the investigation began. it was not against director petraeus. it was because threats were being received over the internet. and since they're coming into someone working at cia headquarters, and particularly in the executive area, that prompted the fbi to go ahead and...
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this i was told by an fbi agent at a lie level, if this involved a high level fbi executive, he would have been out the door the same day. they wouldn't have left him in office. yet he was in office from the spring until october. and then just by coincidence obama is told two days after the election? it's so transparent that this is a big coverup. and the real issue, as you mentioned, is the blackmail issue. and that is russian foreign intelligence criminals, if they had gotten on to this affair, would have used it as blackmail against petraeus to get our biggest secrets, and that's why with the security clearance you are not supposed to compromise yourself in this way. >> let me go to the congressman. so the fbi director had to know. he meets with the president. eric holder had to know, he meets with the president. we are saying a cia director that is involved in a compromising situation that's correct that was not brought to the attention of the president? what if it wasn't? is that not dereliction of duty in is that not incompetence on that part? if the president did know, what doe
this i was told by an fbi agent at a lie level, if this involved a high level fbi executive, he would have been out the door the same day. they wouldn't have left him in office. yet he was in office from the spring until october. and then just by coincidence obama is told two days after the election? it's so transparent that this is a big coverup. and the real issue, as you mentioned, is the blackmail issue. and that is russian foreign intelligence criminals, if they had gotten on to this...
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months before the fbi was brought on to the case. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. some lawmakers are demanding that general petraeus testify at some point about the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi which he independently investigated. >>> incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts who lost to elizabeth warren is calling on his republican party to move to the middle. >> we need to be a larger party. i'm a pro-choice moderate republican, there's a vanishing breed. you know that now. you've lost joe lieberman, richard lugar, kent conrad, me, olympia snowe. that group in the middle, it's vanishing and there are on both sides there are extremes as you all know kind of pushing back against the middle. i've always felt that that group in the middle is, quite frankly, the most powerful group because they're able to get to that 60-vote fleshhold and get things done so i'm hopeful we'll be a more tolerant, you know, open-minded party. >> there is speculation that brown could make another run for national if president obama names senator john kerry to his c
months before the fbi was brought on to the case. >> that was nbc's andrea mitchell reporting. some lawmakers are demanding that general petraeus testify at some point about the deadly attack at the u.s. consulate in benghazi which he independently investigated. >>> incumbent senator scott brown of massachusetts who lost to elizabeth warren is calling on his republican party to move to the middle. >> we need to be a larger party. i'm a pro-choice moderate republican,...